Another church on The Lord's Way is on its way out. In 2019, Harvest initially did not release these assets, assuring the congregation, none of Harvest Bible Chapels or Walk in the Words donations or assets have gone to James, and we will not be giving him anything in the future since his termination was with cause. The year prior, Walk in the Word brought in close to $8.5 million, with 2,000 stations airing the show. Criticism of MacDonald begun to surface on The Elephants Debt, a blog founded in 2012, run by Ryan Mahoney and Scott Bryant, former members era of Harvest Bible Church. You personify a strong, fast talking, intelligent woman, which is a gift by way of your heritage. Check out Moreno website, http://www.godsonlygospel.com. I am staying because with all the faults in the organization, the people of Harvest are my family. Pastor was not happy and tried to convince us that we were wrong. Dont listen to haters. That, apparently, was what it took to get him fired. Harvest, which Roys says is $42 million in debt, is suing the Evangelical Christian Credit Union for not refinancing five of its mortgages. I also trust that you did seek wisdom from the Lord on what and how to speak into this. Its difficult to understand how people can now know what they know and still only criticize the ones that feel compelled to now share their story. Hi Lina. Christ alone is to be worshipped. The Bible even says Truth shall set you free. Youre sharing your story and I think those who have been hurt by HBC (including me) needs to hear these stories. Jesus desires mercy and not sacrifice. Its so very difficult but This is Gods battle and I only need to be obedient not the fixer. The confidence I hang on to today is that whether I am approved or critiqued for this opinion, it is Christs love that will catch me and his arms that will continue to sustain me when I close my eyes at the end of each new day. Hearing these stories has helped me to realize I left just when I was supposed to. Did you see the link to my web page. The Elephant's . In the clips, the person who sounds like MacDonald talks about a plot to plant child pornography on Christianity Today CEO Harold Smiths computer. God has this situation in his hands he wasnt surprised by it. 4. And you will not lose true friends and sisters in Christ. I do not think the solution is replacing the pastor and associates with a new administration. I feel foolish for allowing myself to be misled for so long. Gordon Zwirkoski, a former Harvest elder and the original director of HBF, told Roys that James MacDonald essentially wields ultimate authority at the church and cultivates a spirit of fear in the staff. Former Harvest employee Dave Jones says his church has welcomed dozens of Harvest refugees who show signs of spiritual abuse and are disillusioned.. You are being bold and telling the truth and just wanted to encourage you.I always loved your passion for Gods Word and pray Gods blessing as you stand strong Him! I didnt want James as an enemy, as being on the inside knowing and seeing how he could and would destroy others in ministry if they challenged him. We cant judge the HEART of others, we can judge their actions and behaviors. I always wondered why you left but after reading The Elephants Debt I figured I knew why. However, James is not the same person he was when he began that church and if he was to continue leading it, he would hurt countless others. Sometimes being good will also mean being nice, but sometimes it will not. God is a for-others being he can not lie, therefore, he can not be for Himself. We confronted him basically because of the way he had attacked a youth at the time and his mother for bringing up how the pastor was making this youth to feel. That, it seems, was what it took to finally break his hold over his current elder board; to finally convince the elders that they were wrong to keep listening to his excuses. The pastor also gets $1.2 million and a parcel of property in Crystal Lake, Illinois, as well the ministrys equipment, books, and digital resources, the church announced this week. The problem was not simply Harvest messaging, but also the teachings that made such messagingmake sense. Nor do I want to be part of a fellowship where the whole counsel of God is not taught nor eschatology ever mentioned. Lina, thank you for your honesty. As one person whom MacDonald led to the Lord remarked to me, Its like finding out your wife is a serial killer. The disillusionment, betrayal, and loss can be excruciating. Opt out of televised preaching? Perhaps my fear had its legitimate reasons. Thanks for finally being honest. Not just Harvest Bible Chapel. Thanks Sheila. And for those that have not witnessed spiritual abuse, or worse yet experienced it personally, but are now hearing about it, this is your opportunity to ramp up your prayers for the Bride of Christ. I can see you have regret for not having the courage to do it then but youre working to make up for it by speaking now. I do know that my faith will not be shaken. A defamation lawsuit by the church against the website, and Julie Roys, a reporter for the bi-weekly Christian World magazine, who investigated Harvest, was dropped last month. That timeline accelerated, when on Tuesday morning highly inappropriate recorded comments made by Pastor MacDonald were given to media and reported, the church wrote. Im praying for you. 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Harvest Bible Chapel has fired its founder and senior pastor James MacDonald following years of controversial behavior, financial scandal and allegations of bullying and intimidation. 1st at services, then recording those messages fir walk in the word and finally by publishing them. I just knew I wasnt supposed to be there anymore. We repent, forgive and are reconciled; we do not get even, hold grudges, refuse to forgive, or destroy innocent bystanders caught in the wake of it all. No one knows why. Therefore Lina did what God moved her to do in His Boldness and Courage, being fear had silenced her. I enjoy both of you Christian ladies for the different gifts you both bring. Dont stand in the middle, dont seek to mediate. Rita, be encouraged. I pray your steps continue to be guided by our Lord! Yet, with the growing numbers leaders, it is coming out, many followed along with James out of fear to personal, family, career damage. So are you saying that there is mind control of the underling staff and of the rank and file members going on at HBC? Thank you for sharing your story and for doing so in the right spirit. I was too afraid to ask her why. Structure: the structure of My Dream Church is based on the New Testament Body Of Christ 33Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for the tree is known by its fruit. God help those who cant see their need to be set free or judge those whove found it in Christ Jesus. I am surprised by your editorial on Harvest. Thank you. He is really great at it I give him that. How do you know it wasnt done with fasting and with prayer? I would ask you the same question? Excited for the new study, hoping One of your teachings would be chosen. Thank you for sharing! Browse 60+ years of magazine archives and web exclusives. Perhaps we can do something like that here in Davenport, too. May the God of all comfort minister his comfort to them. I want to thank you for having the courage to add your testimony to the voices of those who have been abused by HBC. Its messy. 1 Timothy 5:20: But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning. In good conscience we walked away too knowing it was the right thing before God.So now I get your story, you were a favorite of Kathy and James so I am sure to take a stand against the injustice at Harvest was not at all an easy decision.So many other godly people got pushed out for speaking up about the entitlement and harshness of James and other Pastors and Elders.So very sad somewhere along the way they just forgot they are supposed to be shepherds and servant and not the guards defending the many sin issues at Harvest. I hope that you are recovering well, for you have added a vital piece of information. Will those men now be known for their mark as sinful followers of James? Though MacDonald has been granted the rights to his Walk in the Word ministry, he and Harvest remain at odds. Start praying for Jesus to heal the entire body of which He Alone is the Head. Many were kicked out and shown the door. Good word, my sister. You said, out of fear, I complied. I miss that about you. Politics and religion have a great affect on society, and both must be monitored to protect the people. It was both true in a sense and funny. Others had old wounds that had resurfaced and were hurting, having never felt closure to their stories, Abujamra, a Bible teacher and Moody Radio host, wrote on herblog. 35The good man brings out of his good treasure what is good; and the evil man brings out of his evil treasure what is evil. This comment to Harvest and James is your opinion and you have every right to it. Also another story emerged on why another person left Harvest Bible Chapel. I left Harvest CL 3 yrs ago after being forced out of a ministry and other thingspart of the membership indoctrinationyou are not allowed to say anything disparaging against church leadership or the church. James MacDonald (born October 4, 1960) is a Canadian-born evangelical Christian pastor, television evangelist, and author. 2 Thumbs Way up to you my sister in Christ, for being open about your experience there, which more people than you know have also been through! 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As Gods word says it would. You are completely right on! The resources are pulpit curriculum and bible words to talk about. you managed (a wording that says, you knew it was not right, but did so out of self protection) and humility because as Mancow is now saying, James had alligator tears of his hurt to make you feel guilty. Your mission and your ministry is beautiful and changing lives. 7. These are the same elders that approved this same law suit to be dropped when James and co. knew that they would have to open all the books and all the dirt would come out! Love for God, relationships, and the church. You too felt you had to leave Harvest and what was your point of conviction on having to leave the Church ,that we all sacrificed so much for! I have seen this in many independent churches.THIs was done to me at a similar setting.The pastor One of things his way or the highway and there was no disagreement because he said it was leading to anarchy. Abusers groom their community and a spiritually abusive church grooms its members to not rock the boat, to gaslight themselves, and to leave quietly if they should ever refuse to submit to abuse. Please support my writing! I should have walked out but, I too, was afraid. Put faith in Gods justice and judgement upon all, now that sin has been exposed. The current leadership at Harvest Bible Chapel including Luke and Landon and Rick and Mo and Jeff and the CFO are infected by the cancer of fear and control. God IS in control and knows what he is doing. He invitedme to go when we first started dating. Nellie, please dont be taken in by putting people on a pedestal (very sad.) Or is he in effect the church, with an elder board that exists only for show and to rubber stamp his decisions? Praying for this church also that Gods Holy Spirit is cleaning/healing/humbling/teaching his people. Sunday Service-10:15 AM/Wed. I believe my continued presence wouldve required me to openly protest in every Sunday service because to remain silent through the service wouldve done injustice to the victims and passively shown support for the authoritarian leaders who refused to repent. On Monday morning, an edited version with the sermon only will be available on the Sermons and Studies page. Therefore, we are at our most open to hurt. Your two posts make no sense I hope you get some sense and realize people in Church are not infallible only Jesus! I saw the horrible video of the three Elders that were fired, It was autrocious! He spoke highly of you, and since then, I have occasionally prayed for you regarding your time and experience at HBC. Harvest launched a radio show; founded a Christian school with over 700 students; built its own retreat center; produced feature-length films; wrote its own worship songs; and created its own. James has all the characteristics of a false teacher. Looking sideways (practical love): and pro football. She is free to speak of her experience, nothing mean about that. At this point, Im not sure what else your thread can accomplish. I never worked at Harvest under Pastor James, I never wrote a book, I never had any altercation with Pastor James, and never had a complaint about him. I think the congregation who asks these questions should know that I pray for them. Just because its a church building with leaders doesnt mean that Christ is leading it. Following the initial World report, MacDonald announced he would be taking a sabbatical, but suggested he may still occasionally preach at a Harvest-affiliated church in Florida. Its so fitting that you likened the pain at Harvest to the pain of a divorce. Same as your departure, not a single person reached out to see how I was doing once I left my job. Thank you for your honestly, I personally did not ask why you left, because we left approximately the same time for the same reasons. Ezekiel 22:27 Less well known was that these individuals agreed to leave Harvest aloneto stop publicly criticizing the churchin exchange for a promise that the current elder board would enact changes. When a person is afraid of the reaction of their pastor or preacher it is time to move on. Lina, given your vast experience, It is ironic that the experience at Harvest should be seen as a culture of fear. What Can Christians Do About Climate Change? Transparency in finances He was a very good speaker and teacher of the Bible but was forced to resign from our church a few years back. I was there when Ted launched. Will James not wake up and realize that the Church of Jesus Christ is not the organization or nonprofits we create, but the men and women that God calls and saves by the sacrifice of His Son? No wonder Harvest dropped the suit. I have replied, I would have probably, as most have done, put my head in the sand and carried on doing the work God gave me to do. Someday, Fred, when you grow a spine, you need to come to me and beg my forgiveness for the unbiblical excommunication you were a part of in my situation. My last complaint. But, the truth is, I am ashamed to say, I should have left much sooner. Pray for all the lost and unsaved who are not hearing the Gospel and our testimonies right now from our lips because sin has been made the main thing. In the past we were to study pulpit curriculum and bible vocabulary. This is an extra difficult time for the members and regular attenders of Harvest Bible Chapel. I have wondered if Harvest Bible Chapel (the organization) is worth the cost its taken to try and save it? Id encourage you to read the prophets again, and ask, what upsets the heart of God? And then maybe its time to ask whether those things should upset you as well. James MacDonald was forced out Tuesday night as senior pastor of Harvest Bible Chapel, a church he founded in Rolling Meadows some 30 years ago. Sign up to get our top five trending stories delivered every weekday! Before the article was even printed, Harvest sued Roys, plus two bloggers whove been critical about problems at Harvest. It seems to have so many cracks in the structure. I was so surprised to read that you were afraid because you seem like such a strong and confident person. There is no question in my mind that what I did see and experience increasingly at Harvest was a culture that functioned and was sustained by fear and the desire to please James at any cost. I attended Harvest for five years, and left five years ago. WORLD Magazine and other evangelical news outlets celebrated this resolution. These are the last days! Ive been in the medical field for over 40 years and know a thing or two about human anatomy. Blessings to you! He has harmed thousands of people. We have seen this very truth of Jesus teaching publicly demonstrated by Mancow and many other witnesses. The former Harvest Bible Fellowship leaders now at GCCwhich contains about 130 churches, more than half of which still have Harvest in their namesshare concerns about the churchs leadership and are looking for transparency and repentance from MacDonald. Basically hes a figurehead who can be dismissed on the whim of any elder or his wife. Then, he was fired, according to the Daily Herald, a suburban Chicago newspaper. Soon we must bring those truths to light, but for now we continue under the weight of so much falsehood in hope that the church will themselves initiate the needed steps of public confession, he wrote. I wonder if this is an area where youd feel free to minister; where people leave the church and are forgotten. Harvest responded by suing both bloggers, their wives, and Julie Roys. Did you realize the pastors publicly said sorry last weekend? Nellie, Why not start a different type of church that is not pastor directed? I too visited Harvest. Everybody and anyone has an opinion about what should happen to and for Harvest whether this means the self-identified victims, or the buildings, or the leftover and future leadership well, everyone is entitled to an opinion about everyone and everything. Wow. Sign up for our newsletter: Notify me by email when the comment gets approved. It wasnt that we saw corruption in our church. But I lived this in the late 70s and early 80s the scandals of the then big preachers they fell down hard as well. Thanks for writing it. Before the article was even printed, Harvest sued Roys, plus two bloggers who've been critical about problems at Harvest. It was your Study that helped me be obedient to God. Lina isnt hanging Harvest Bible Chapel. It was love at first sight!! Fear is never a godly way of governing. I thank you for your willingness to risk being misunderstood while offering your experience to help reduce the shame of others, who need a hand to hold, as they work through their own healing. I feared offending people. Christs grace saves us and sustains us. When I left my job I stayed at HBC for about another year before leaving entirely. Yet Jesus was not the mission even though the pastor spoke of Jesus. Reflect about yourself and what steps you need to take to be healed and then to help others heal. I also was silent about why my family left (also the week following the video). After telling us that the elder board always made every decision by full consent, we learned that the former head of the elder board found out about major church initiatives from his seat in the congregation. I will be praying for you , too, Lina. Could you provide me with a link please. You are Loved I think I am gonna throw up. The people of the church are those we feel we can trust and love. FEAR is a liar, pray for them and never let offense take you out, that was the enemys plan! He bullied his way into being paid multiple times for the work he was hired to so as the pastor, sermons and bible teaching. It is important to bring light to this matter, help yourself and others heal and put a new song of praise and trust in Our God. Do not judge the timing, Gods timing is Always Perfect. Like in Ezekiel, many people are trying to sound the trumpet of warning!! So your opinion is to fire everybody? He kept telling me that I didnt understand authority and I was in rebellion. It is a really strange thing when persecution comes from the pastor and elders. Harvest launched a radio show; founded a Christian school with over 700 students; built its own retreat center; produced feature-length films; wrote its own worship songs; and created its own church-planting ministry, Harvest Bible Fellowship, with 170 member churches. I have great empathy and sensitivity toward them. Linas testimoney is encouraging. Until then, you are still a wolf in sheeps clothing. In any case, Im saddened to hear that this happened to James McDonald. I am grateful for your courage. I didnt want to be rebellious against authority. This post reminds me of something that happened at my former church. Jesus may be truly calling people to stay, and rebuild Harvest Bible Chapel. The small church that I and my family left was a textbook case in spiritual abuse. What happens next? Harvest elders announced this morning that they were forced to take "immediate action" on Tuesday to end his 30-year tenure. When this happens, there is tremendous spiritual and emotional wounding. Dan was a part of this elder board with these 7 elders and he details only some of the fraud . You also restrained and could have said much more and didnt. The link was in my post above. The question is with independent churches who did they answer to? Such a good post Lina. God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble. He stood and told me and my husband he was naive to the Paxton Singer situation. Ted Haggard bemoans his "exile" in a new HBO documentary. The next day, Helmer resigned, citing MacDonalds pattern of uncontrolled anger. The pastor later admitted being too intense in the classroom that day. The church and its people helped create Pastor James He is not the only one involved it was a group effort. A new believer has lost faith because of the shameful behavior of HBC leadership and all you can say is question the new believers truthfulness of his account? Somehow I thought 2500+ members walking out would send the message. You wrote a blog about how an increase in tattoos was in some way related to a decline in holiness and you were a leader in the church? Then, a famous friend of his, Chicago shock jock Mancow Muller, spoke out in a local newspaper against the manipulation and ego he observed around MacDonalds cult of personality at Harvest. I will not address any party affiliation. The only thing I liked about that church was the worship, which was glorifying to the Lord. The pastor took the opportunity to lay into them and basically tell him that he was the one in the wrong. This decision was made with heavy hearts and much time spent in earnest prayer, followed by input from various trusted outside advisors.. I have or attend 3 or more small groups a week now and feel alive. [], Lost me at the private jet shared with Bill Hibel. I have found that churches built through a single persons vision are dangerous. Besides, pastors charismatic enough to gain large followings frequently have the ability to effectively deflect criticism and keep their elder board firmly on their side. Good for you and speaking up. Do you read the elder updates? Our GOD is an awesome GOD. Its hard no impossible- to do everything with the right motivation. I feel like I cant trust my own judgment any more. I do believe you. He kept going back to you disobeyed the pastor so youre wrong (me in this case for talking to the youth and his mom about it after it happened). If the church treated Lina this way, they will do it to you and others without a second thought. This scandal that were going through has really rocked my world. Im far removed from this situation, but saddened by it nonetheless. There were several close family deaths, lost our home, business and more. He went recently, saying the time had come. He wants a huge army of women indwelled with the Holy Spirit to point people to Christ. now James McDonald. If you know anything about abusive relationshipsHBC is in the honeymoon phase right now.look it up!! Open your eyes and feel the heat of the refiners fire. It seems that was true at Harvest, just as it is at many local churches. Lina you were humble and owned more than most. My daughter was also at that service when they showed the video. Did you know that Satan and his minions come to Harvest? I keep coming back to this part and I identify so much with this part. Get the most recent headlines and stories from Christianity Today delivered to your inbox daily. During Sunday services, Harvest showed a videoof members of the current elder board explaining why the church was placing the two former elders under church discipline: Church matters are not to be tried in the court of public opinion. Because evangelical megachurches are typically formed around a single charismatic individual, elder boards are generally loathe to consider letting this individual go. I didnt want to upset James. Based on just the first few paragraphs, I hear you! Gosh, so many similarities with the HBC action. Yell and bully and make people feel like second class Christians? The edited . James MacDonald, founder of Harvest Bible Chapel in greater Chicago, who was recently fired under a cloud of financial abuse, was allegedly being paid nearly a million dollars per year in regular salary, had access to approximately a million more in discretionary spending, and is currently owed $2.6 million in deferred compensation by the There would be major issues involving James, followed by a carefully worded elder update or a carefully scripted announcement in church. The whole ordeal was very strange. Thank you for your openness and sharing! Torn between right and wrong. My first two books were scheduled to be released smack in the middle of that summer, and I didnt want to impact their potential not to mention that James had agreed to write the forward on my first book. In any case, we had a final meeting with the pastor and his assistant pastor (who was his son-in-law) to tell them that I was leaving their church. You are absolutely right about the fear! Im sorry that the doctrine that youve been taught says that life is about being kind and nice, rather than about being good. The harsh language of Harvests public excommunication of these individuals did receive pushback, and in 2014, MacDonald expressed regret at the language used, and announced that the church had reconciled with the elders. This journey has taken me several years. Otherwise, the church must answer the same question, for that is one of the majors that Jesus gave us. Those who would shame someone for standing on the side of truth and grace have missed the mark. The evil at Harvest is a nasty stage four cancer yet has invaded the entire body. If you read the history and understand the public record of offenses at Harvest (with many more than the requisite two or three witnesses), you will understand why this is not only completely justified, but actually necessary to the restoration of healing and good order to Christs Body. It is not with the powerful; it is those whom the powerful make to feel like theyre nothing. Thank you for coming forward! Life goes on people repent and grace is for everyone. Nellie-What you might not know. Even more, the trauma of having those who had taught me so much about Jesus and showed me the way to Jesus healing suddenly take the side of the person who caused me to fear for my life- its taken a long time to move forward. Have you ever read this piece on how sick systems keep people controlled? I will pray for healing in the hearts and lives of those affected by this tragedy. I left HBC Davenport 4 years ago because of the spiritual abuse that is happening there as well. 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