a Pagan Baby but lost touch. maybe NCIS or 60 minutes should get on the case? You are no doubt a stronger person for it . Theres the priority. We sold The Tidings , which was the L.A. Archdiocese newspaper , and there were prizes . The teachers all smiled . The novel begins in Rwanda.The protagonist is a priest named Terry Dunn. In Catholic school in San Francisco in the Sixties, we also collected for the pagan babies daily, and got to name the baby once we had five dollars. A Philadelphia punk band formed in 1986. His parents cant now change the little pagans name , right ? Someone must have decided it was no longer a good way to raise money for Catholic missions. 3:21; cf. I dont know what state you were in at the time, but I have lived in California for the last 60 years. The salesman had charts and pictures and a poster for every classroom of the glorious prizes . If we sold a certain amount wed get a plastic statue of Mary and Jesus. Did the Catholic Schools consider Jewish People Pagans? I won the [ now I really dont remember which of the above things I won ] but a classmate wanted to exchange her prize , the other thing , for mine . With touching little pictures of hungry children. Especially loud clunkers could turn heads and ignite giggles. The certificates were white, thick,wrinkly paper with burnt orange and brown late 60s modern catholic designs. Each classroom was given small cardboard collection boxes . Im sure that Beverley Anne is fine and doing well . Glad to have confirmed this for you , John . For whatever reason, we googled pagan baby today.My husband and I thought we were the only two people who remembered pagan babies!!!! This is a serious problem. What kind of horrid name is that for a babypagan or not?! Cary Cox stole a five dollar bill from his mothers purse when we were in fourth grade so that Cary could pick the name of the next pagan baby himself . One of my fellow employees is reading a book called Pagan Babies. I Googled it because of my conviction that it was an acronym and I just couldnt quite figure out what the E stood for. That $5.00 bought you naming rights. But Im a bit cynical . When you get to heaven have it in your pocket . Pope Benedicts Resignation: Debate Continues 10 Years On, Example of Their Lives: 6 American Black Catholics Are on the Road to Sainthood, Ex-Cardinal McCarrick Asks for Dismissal of Sex Abuse Case Against Him, Citing Dementia, Albany Diocese Bans Latin Masses Following New Guidance From the Vatican, What Have the Jesuits Done About Rupnik? Keep writingthis is good stuff! Their adopted Pagan Babies were then given the Sacrament of Baptism. It was probably a good lesson in giving for us little ones ; but , the money - probably not a huge sum overall - ? Hooo, yes. unless Father Terry is working a con of his own. For a boy we were expected to choose a name like Matthew, Mark, Luke or John. We also collected money in Sunday School for the missions, but we still didnt get to name anyone. This reading is starting to stir up memories of holy water, chapel caps, rosaries that lit up a green color in the bed at night, memorizing the Catechism in case the Arch-Bishop asked me a question at our Confirmation, being chosen to carry up the gifts, and on and on. The oldest nun asked : Any questions , children ? Anyway, I attended Catholic grade school from 1962 - 1970, and we collected money for pagan babies during Lent. I remember a little plastic Jesus and pencil cases . But , heres the thing : When the class had five dollars then that class got to name a pagan baby . My allowance was 25 cents a week . I keep asking her where MY money was! I kept a large plastic Seagrams Seven bottle bank in my room at home that I put all my loose change into to save up for stuff I wanted and an occasional pagan baby. One time, in the 70s, at an intimate dinner party, we realized the room was filled with about half Catholics who attended Catholic school. "I loved Pagan Babies. But I remember that we did get certificates sent to us from the Society for the Propagation of the Faith with the babys name. Thanks for the comment. He didnt say that the big winner was the salesman himself , who had spent only a couple of hours with the principal and with the students but now had three hundred children who would be desperately trying to sell his candy for the next two weeks . My imagination was also captured by the missionaries who came to speak to us at least once a year. I went Catholic school in NJ and yes, we had pagan babies! People needed food, water, medical care, and were looking to us to step up and provide it. I smell the mendacity in this room ! Catholic mom and grandparents here. Steve, Thanks for the kind comment . I think it went to the missionaries (the seminary for The Society of the Divine Word was just two miles or so away, and we were taught by the Missionary Sisters of the Holy Ghost). I served lunch to old people and I received so many compliments from the old people that I thought that I was a goner . Pagan baby naming makes good memories but was , I guess , conditioning in deception . the salesman said . The Mary list is endless. We can smile at it now at perhaps how silly it was, Father Small said. 2000 Elmore Leonard, Inc. (P)2000 Recorded Books Inc. Unabridged Audiobook. Thanks for the comment . Steve Stahley. Thanks for the interest. A freshly sprung ex-con turned stand-up comic, Debbie needs some fast cash, too, to settle an old score. we got prizes if we gave X amount, but I never got a prize. Sometimes, I was that girl. Maryknollers, Franciscans, or Missionaries of Charity, these men and women told riveting tales of adventure and hardship. None of my non-Catholic friends ever believed my pagan baby stories, either. Oh my, what a great story. No , Sid , Im pretty sure that Jewish people were not considered pagans - but , who knows with some of those nuns . RENEE! While the circumstances, the cost, and the rewards varied from parish to parish, most Catholic children of the 1960s saved at least one pagan baby. What exactly we learned from this could be disputed. : Its a mystery . Instead, she found Jesus Christ. I might have gone into the public school with this Catholic bubble around me and I might have been hesitant to burst the Catholic bubble of protection. When I gave my pennies to the missions, I could make a difference. HELLO!!!!!!!! A Timeline. those babies. Kind of a weird experience when we look back on it , eh ? Im thinking that was awful high up for our Sister, so maybe the janitor had to do it for us. In addition we'd go and bless our herbs in the garden and around on Midsummer and then harvest them for John's night or the night before depending on the weather. JMJwow, totally forgot about that. I thought they would all come in a box and be distributed at the end of the school year. As an incentive for our fundraising, when we raised $5 we were allowed to give a Christian name to a pagan baby. Each in his or her own way has been a missionary of the Gospel of Christ. Like using Necco wafers to practice First Holy Communion. I was JUST telling my son about Pagan Babies when I was a little girl! This is a serious problem. You know the drill . or school. Only we had to write JMJD, for Dominic, as ours were Dominican nuns. Your email address will not be published. Linda A. McMillin is a professor of history at Susquehanna University. I just re-read your comment and am laughing about all that back then . - Kathy F.
As a young girl at St. Albert the Great School in Dearborn, Michigan, we wore blue uniform jumpers and beanies. Charlie stood up to his full height of about four foot three , his head held high , a serious look on his face . Im thinking, maybe, that I qualify as a pagan baby. Enjoyed reading all of your comments about Pagan Babies. We were expected to sell subscriptions to our local Archdiocese newspaper when I went to elementary school. All of this went out the window in my belief system a few years later, when i began to understand political realities, had a more sophisticated notion of the universe and got very tired of having philosophical questions answered by Its a mystery. My favorite question was: If God can do anything, can he create a rock so heavy he himself cannot lift it? Actually , as I remember , the girls in the class were very worried about this but we boys werent so much concerned with the little pagan familys problem . Pictures of Cherub-faced Indian, African, and Asian babies graced small cardboard collection boxes given to each child. Please log in to comment by clicking here, Fordhams Greenhagen Finalist for National Scholar-Athlete Award. In fourth grade I was finally old enough to see the movies they showedwith shots of real lepers and starving children. Its a wonderful window on the old days , isnt it ? Pagan Babies is a 2000 crime novel written by Elmore Leonard.He first used Pagan Babies as the name of a rock band in his 1981 novel Split Images.. - Donna B. And my mother prayed. . I went to Catholic grade school at St. Amelias for 8 years. Chapter 1: Catholic Kids Make Great Faces These babies needed to be baptized, and so they needed missionaries, and the missionaries needed money. I think there was some small prize involved for any student that sold them. Theres the priority. I could fold bandages and scrub floors in the dispensario, change diapers and scrub floors in the orphanage, wash vestments and scrub floors in the churchyou can see the pattern. I dont think that the money went sideways. He said the priest paused and said, Uh, son, you need to talk to your nun about that in catechism class. The certificates had a picture of a white little toddler sitting down with little black toddlers. MJ, yes, the price was $5.00 and the money was kept in a cigar box, of all things! The beanies covered our heads during morning Mass. The book may rally his followers, but it wont add to their number. - Bob H.
And then the certificate was put up above the chalkboard. "We thought that some nun in China would go out and select a baby of the proper gender,
At first, Sister tried to dissuade me from using Karen, as this was not a name on the published roster of saints. But how ? decided it was no longer a good way to raise money for Catholic missions. an Irish name?" Something good came from Corpus Cristi. "I remember donations that were not enough to "buy" a whole baby we're combined and the
Remember what he said? Those were the good old days , eh ? I was not called to be a full-time missionary. As a promotion, MISSIO is offering a chance to win a trip to Rome. So how many pagan babies did you sell in Brentwood ? Reminiscing about St. Amelias brings back many other memories. There have to be plenty of them around somewhere . in the classroom to see who had the most babies. How many people who raised their hands the first time were still in contact with their pagan babies? Pagan babies are certainly a uniquely Catholic childhood memory! No , only two thousand fifty , countered the salesman . Oh . The nuns tried to keep us on the Catholic path, but they had a lot of competition with of the civil rights movements of the time. "We can smile at it now at perhaps how silly it was," Father Small said. The students would sell candy bars for a dollar each and , depending on how many each child sold , he or she would win prizes . Ah , yeah . Wow . I ALSOvividly remember, that the certficates were five dollars each (pretty steep for thr 60s! Charlie Bloomquist , of course , had a question . It seemed like an honorable thing, he said. How great ! What gyp. My romantic notions of missionary work got a dose of reality that summer. The one boys name that sticks in my head is Zachary. Reblogged this on itkindofgotawayfromyou.
We can smile at it now at perhaps how silly it was, Father Small said. Some of those Jesuits spoke directly to God . When I was in the fifth or sixth grade, a neighbor who was my age, took 12 books of S & H Green Stamps ( remember those ) and contributed them to the pagan babies program. Congratulations for moving on and helping children in other countries. She said she named them after me. - Vera Marie C.
You :-)) At times, it seemed like the nuns in the Catholic School I was attending, would really pressure the students to contribute to the pagan babies. The mission has a church,' Cardinal Timothy M. Dolan of New York reminded his guests in opening remarks. *One of them may have been slightly Asian, but that was pushing things in those days. I dont remember selling stamps , but a vague memory comes back to me about Christmas stamps . Hopefully its from the old days. Father Andrew Small, O.M.I., national director of the Pontifical Mission Societies and host of the evening, welcomes the archbishop. Biographies are listed below: 1. Drawing its title from Hinckle's parochial education in San Francisco's Sunset District, "Ransoming Pagan Babies: The Selected Writings of Warren Hinckle" released by Berkeley nonprofit. Remember Pagan Babies? Yeah! Stories ensued.
That fits , I suppose . - Sharen D.
Sometimes disabilities don't fall along "guidelines" and some people just need a little extra help. Ah , maybe it taught us some basic values , anyway ( or maybe it screwed us up so badly that we dont even realize how much ) . The idea was to collect money from students , nickels and dimes , for charity . Simone Weil went into the factory to find out more about the social conditions of the modern worker in capitalism. Two stories I recall from those days: one boy in my room kept bringing in UNBELIEVABLY large amounts every day (. Please email comments to [emailprotected] and join the conversation on our Facebook page. . Never heard the term. Please log in to comment by clicking here, Darkness, Desolation Invite People to Draw Closer to God, Pope Says, El Arzobispo de San Juan Celebra la Misa de Nuestra Seora de la Divina Providencia, Powered by Creative Circle Media Solutions. Two stories I recall from those days: one boy in my room kept bringing in UNBELIEVABLY large amounts every day (.75 here, $1.16 there). In Scotland, around 1966 or so, there was something similar in primary school (which one attends from age approx 5 to approx 12, and this school was not R.C. I will say, Im happy I went to catholic school. Renee- -tell the proofreader to correct the spelling of the coin nickel in the second sentence of your article on Pagen babies. ETA: and then theres this blog from someone who is completely unapologetic about their participation in the program: http://asksistermarymartha.blogspot.com/2006/08/announcing-pagan-baby-reunion.html. I dont remember collecting money for them. Yeah . At every Catholic school in those days were
My mother thought that those nuns were as close to God as we would ever get on earth. I stole your Money so that I could lend it back to You and Tim with Interest!!!!!!!!! Once some missionary priest visited and told us how the communist Chinese forced chop sticks into the ears of missionary priests there. Pingback: A Poor Church For the Poor | Vox Nova, Pingback: Remembering a Different A-to-Z Challenge | No Facilities, This was too much fun. Yesit must have been everywhere even Deer Lodge, Montana where I went to Catholic School. All for $5. Ive been fortunate to travel to various parts of the world and to admire (our missionaries) extraordinary love of the world and of the people with whom they live, the cardinal added. Your email address will not be published. Order Bulk SubscriptionsGet a discount on 6 or more copies sent to your parish, organization They were called "pagan babies," certainly not the most sensitive appellation and one that would never be used today. Patti and her husband, Mark, live in North Dakota where they raised their 10 children. I went to a public school. The principal stepped forward , to the rescue , saying coldly , Its a fundraiser for the school . He didnt mention his new stereo system . So, does anybody remember the plastic prizes (not for pagan baby collections). Pagan ,pagan, pagan . I guess this went on everywhere. Regardless of whether pagan babies have become personal, we should still pray for and support the spread of the Catholic faith in foreign lands and in our own. Her latest books are What Would Monica Do? Cover Reveal for My Road Trip Cowboy Romance! My friends went to public school and public school had boys! In most classrooms to encourage donations, the nuns pitted the boys against the girls. What memories. The bookstore is receiving pro bono legal services from ADF for the lawsuit. Years later, as adults, my younger sister, Patricia, confessed to sneaking into my room and using a butter knife to weasel the coins out of the bottle to buy candy and, yes, pagan babies. Id give my expected nickel or dime each week . and Holy Hacks: Everyday Ways to Live Your Faith & Get to Heaven. This is hilarious, love this! Sometimes the girls in one class would be pitted against the boys : Who could collect the money to name the pagan baby first ? Im sure none of that money got further than the downtown Archdiocese offices . She went to Catholic school too, and I dont know if they had pagan babies then, but I bet they did. Oh those Catholics had some great fund raising ideas. And yesyou know who you are. Once the amount was reached, all the names were added to the blackboard and we voted. In the background it shows mosques, pagodas, etc, all the better to drive home the horrors wed saved him from. - Karyn D.
Well , I havent met any pagan (baby) Davids running around , but no pagan (baby) Patricias , either . Should they be angry or should they just feel anguish for the sorry state of the religion these days ? Lord, LordCatholic schools. Of course, there was always the show-off who bought a whole pegginbebbie for themselves and got to name it without any of OUR help. I actually went to St Charles, but attended Corpus Cristi mass once in awhile. I still suspect the money collected ( probably in actuality just chicken-feed ? ) But, in fact, the entire program was rooted in a sense of solidarity and charity in the broadest understanding of the word. Then we got a certificate and the children got a medal. Theology should be at the heart of any Catholic university. Thanks for the comment . Remember the "Pagan Babies"? There was something he needed to know . If you ever meet one, say hi from meus. I remember the rice bowls but no actual rice. 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